A conversation with Rabbi
Rabbi Mayer Schiller (left of picture) has been a
friend of the Third Way movement since its formation in 1990.
This year he spent the Twelfth Week of July in Ulster.
Here he is in
conversation with Ulster
Nation editor David Kerr (on right).
The full version of this
interview appears in issue 32 of Third Way
magazine, To get your copy, see our For Sale
you describe yourself as a cultural conservative?
RABBI MAYER SCHILLER. Well, certainly as far as contemporary terminology
goes that’s an accurate description, although what we call ‘conservatism’
today would simply be considered normal life fifty years ago or a hundred years
ago. There aren’t two sides on
questions of basic decency, respect and modesty. I really think there aren’t two sides to these issues so if
conservatism implies acceptance to this other illegitimate side I reject it, but
I think that in terms of modern terminology it is a fair description.
I would consider myself an ecumenical cultural conservative in that I
respect all peoples who have a sense of gratitude to their past and who value
their own heritage and faith. Obviously
not if they are idol worshippers but if they’re worshipping God, I would say I
value people who have gratitude to the past in their own faith in their own
that would be not just Orthodox Judaism but Protestantism, traditional
Catholicism and Islam. That sort of
I think that all these people are very dear to God
and are fulfilling His will on earth and will be rewarded in Heaven.
does this conservative view work itself out in practical terms?
Do you find yourself in ‘strange company’?
Well, I don’t think the company’s so strange.
There is a natural allegiance between all men who value their Faith and
their cultures and its just, I think, a short-sightedness and links to painful
pasts that sometimes doesn’t allow us to realise that commonality.
So, I don’t think it’s strange that I feel a sense of affinity to
traditionalist Catholics, or Afrikaner South Africans and American
experience travelling in very traditional what would be called ‘right wing’
circles in America, Europe and South Africa, I have almost never met any one
who, once they realised what my position is, is not willing to accept me.
This is despite the fact that there has been animosity between Jews and
so-called ‘right wing’ types. I’ve
found, by and large, once they have realised that this commonality exists that
any animosity disappears.
have spoken positively of conservative values.
However, last year the British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, spoke at his
party conference where blamed virtually all the ills of the world – from the
assassination of Martin Luther King to discontent amongst staff in our National
Health Service on the ‘forces of conservatism’. Tories, racists, Irish republicans, Ulster loyalists,
Scottish nationalists and even old-style members of the Labour Party – real
socialists – were all equally condemned as ‘forces of conservatism’.
Such people had to be fought, wiped out, put in their boxes and locked
away. It was a truly amazing
speech. I don’t think that
anything like it has ever been seen in British politics before.
Does that attitude surprise you?
I think that the Left is very rapidly, around the
world, abandoning the pretence of real liberalism, in the sense of tolerance and
debate. The Left today thrives on
the stifling of debate. In some
countries today, they are declaring certain thoughts and ideas illegal.
In other countries, they’re just destroying people’s livelihoods and
lives if they question their dogmas. I
think this is an attempt at mind control and that the so-called Dark Ages no way
equalled at all this attempt to control what people are and are not allowed to
suggest that maybe the reason for it is that this kind of whacko-Leftism is so
implausible and so goes against what we see in our own daily lives that you can
only enforce it with a heavy hand. It
runs counter to what we all see and experience every day.
Everybody knows that our cities have been destroyed by liberalism.
Everybody knows all this. That’s
why the only way to enforce it is by saying that if you question our dogmas we
will punish you.
that’s interesting. In
tonight’s Belfast Telegraph,
a member of the Scottish parliament, John McCallion, has called for restrictions
on Scottish bands travelling to Ulster for the Twelfth because it’s possible
that they might - only ‘might’, mind you – go to Drumcree or somewhere
else solely to cause trouble.
Now that is by no means objective. He
is saying that the very fact that these bands are getting on a boat and coming
to Ulster means that they are going to cause trouble and they must be stopped.
This appears to me to be symptomatic of this mentality of control that is
so typical of the liberal-left and New Labour.
There’s a book that is almost prophetic as we look
back on it. It was the third volume
of C S Lewis’s space trilogy, called That
Hideous Strength. He
describes this coalition between government and media and universities to
suppress dissent and thought.
man McCallion, these bands represent something that he doesn’t want to have to
deal with. He would rather lock
them up and throw away the key. He
doesn’t want to debate with them. He
doesn’t want to discuss anything with them.
They represent everything he detests.
I think if we go back to that Tony Blair quote that perhaps he’s on to
something in that he’s recognising the essential unity of culturally
conservative forces when he throws them all together.
He’s right. These are in a
sense united. Maybe he’s on to
something that many culturally conservatives have yet to understand – the
essential unity we have.
that’s a point. I think that most
people when they read it went open-mouthed with astonishment, but perhaps these
‘forces of conservatism’ do stand in the way of Tony Blair’s grand
project. Abroad he’s literally
put people in boxes; at home he’s bringing in very repressive legislation.
This football hooliganism bill he’s rushing through parliament will
take passports off people who have the ‘wrong tattoos’ or people who have no
criminal convictions but whom they suspect might possibly perhaps in certain
circumstances do something criminal. All
due process has gone. All this
Magna Carta stuff that has built up over centuries that you don’t deprive
anyone of their rights unless they have committed a crime and been convicted of
that offence by due process of law has gone out the window.
It’s been replaced by, ‘We think that you might
do something wrong. We don’t like the look of you, so we’re taking away your
right to travel.’
I don’t mean in any way to condone violence for the
sake of violence but I think that in the extreme loyalty of many football
supporters there is that sense of memory, of loyalty to one’s parents and
grandparents – to one’s place. In
the soul of that – and it is very often distorted in bad ways – but in the
soul of that, lies something which Blair can’t tolerate.
So he’s got to stop that. We’ve
got to be without any sense of loyalty to anything except this New World Order.
don’t want to use this in the sense of a conspiracy, but there is a philosophy
of destroying all local faith and allegiances.
Yes, I can
accept that. I don’t believe in
any grand over-arching conspiracy set down by somebody in the United Nations or
whatever, but there is a global convergence.
Tony Blair and Bill Clinton are soul brothers in this respect.
One time Tony is cajoling Bill to act in a certain way – ‘Let’s
bomb these Serbs’, for example – and sometimes it’s the other way around.
Bill is urging Tony to do something for him.
I don’t know Blair at all, but in the case of
Clinton, I think it has a lot to do with career advancement and the amoralism of
the man. Maybe Blair means it more
sincerely which might be worse. In
that sense, I think that Hillary Clinton is worse than Bill.
If Bill smelled that the path to power was to join the Ku Klux Klan I
think he would do so. She probably wouldn’t.
are interesting parallels between both men.
Hillary is a very high-powered lawyer.
So is Cherie Booth, Tony’s wife. She
is a very highly paid professional barrister.
This whole thing about shaping the law to reflect liberal-leftist values
under the agenda of so-called ‘human rights’ is all part of the same
pattern. It’s trying to mould us
all to conform.
Blair talks about New Labour, New Britain, New This, New That.
He never says ‘The Labour Party believes…’ Now some people within
his party believe that he has cut his party off from its roots and led it into
this pinko-liberalism of the PC brigade.
It’s quite amusing, because the Trade Union movement pays a lot of
Labour’s bills but it is getting very little for it.
New Labour is cut away from traditional working class socialist roots.
I sometimes get the impression that these NuLab people actually despise
the very working class folk that Labour once identified with.
That’s an excellent point.
In the little I’ve read in terms of biography of the Clintons you find
that they are very cruel to the people that work around the White House.
Whenever they do come in contact with working class people their
arrogance and disdain comes out. So,
I don’t think that this has anything to do with traditional socialism, which
although I might have some quibble with, was motivated by a sincere desire to
alleviate a lot of economic and social ills that came in the wake of the
don’t think that’s what a Clinton of a Blair is concerned with at all.
I think they’re concerned with essentially keeping in power these
totalitarian leftists by bribing a certain underclass with the money of the rest
of the nation and by combining the university and media elites with this
I think that
what happens in Great Britain is that a lot of traditional Labour voters
haven’t figured out yet that these people are not their friends at all.
They continue to vote as their fathers and grandfathers voted.
This is a grave mistake.
have been some recent straws in the wind. Tony
Blair addressed a meeting of the Women’s Institute, a respectable ‘backbone
of England’ group with a strong rural base. These matronly women actually booed, hissed and
slow-handclapped him. The pictures
of him that day actually reminded me of Ceausescu on the balcony on the day he
made his fateful speech when he lost the confidence of the Romanian people.
The old tricks just didn’t seem to work.
It suggests that not everyone is as happy with Tony Blair as was the case
in May 1997 when he was elected.
The problem with reversing the trend is that the
educational system and the media cut the soul out of people. They eliminate from the public the ability to have a critical
sense towards a Clinton or a Blair. Let’s
face it. TV is the moulder of the
minds of most young people today - indeed most middle-aged people today.
South Africa, up until the mid 1970s, forbade television.
I think that if you want to chart the course of the destruction of that
nation then you have to look towards the letting in of television.
thinking when I was watching some of the Twelfth of July parades that a lot of
the young people have to be very confused.
On the one hand they are inheriting this deeply traditional culture with
all its symbols and rituals and its deeply traditional Faith from parents and
grandparents. On the other hand television and maybe the schools bombard them
with a whole different worldview. It’s
got to be very confusing to kids caught in this tremendous battle for their
souls, especially here in Ulster where the culture has its eye towards the past.
interesting point. There is, I suppose, a certain tension in that but you can
see that the culture still seems to be carrying on. There are young people in the bands. This tension could possibly cause a later breakdown.
So far, though, it has remained vital.
You’ve seen upwards of 50,000 people today turning up at Scarva.
Will the kid who is wearing an earring today be wearing a
bowler hat tomorrow?
We’ll leave that
thought hanging. If I understand
you, then, you would identify television as one of the main corrosive sources in
Western Society. Is this so?
Well, television, movies and music.
television is probably the most powerful of these media.
Most people watch it. Parents
often use it as a babysitter. I
just read a book by Peter Hitchens, The
Abolition of Britain, and he is strong in his accusations against
television. We have a television
programme here called Grange
Hill. It’s about a
fictional comprehensive school. Hitchens
often wonders if people of a certain age actually remember what really happened
to them in school or whether they are having ‘false memory syndrome’ of what
they saw on Grange Hill in 1980.
To me, it is astonishing how people of a certain age
cannot be completely horrified by what has become of schooling and education and
the media. Don’t they recall the
essentially sound, respectful educational institutions they went to in the
fifties and early sixties? I
think that the mid-sixties are the effective cut-off date. Some one used the phrase ‘the great eclipse’ to describe
the post mid-sixties. People my age
should remember that sanity at one time prevailed.
It’s astonishing to think that they’re not up in arms.
So far, especially in
the grammar schools, a lot of that has been resisted here.
A very strong lobby is under way for the abolition of selection in
education and for an end to streaming by ability.
In England they have gone for comprehensive education in which students
of all abilities are all thrown in together.
What happens is that those who don’t want to learn mess about in class
and this ruins things, breaks down discipline and causes difficulties for those
who do want to learn.
to my mind, who does any teaching, has to realise that’s what you face.
You can’t teach like that.
So, we still
have streaming here but the liberals are trying to abolish it.
Now that Sinn Féin holds the Department of Education portfolio at
Stormont – and they swallow the whole liberal-leftist ideology – it is quite
likely that selection in education will be abolished within a year or two. That will put education here on the slippery slope to
What’s going to have to happen, if you’re at all
serious, is that you’ll have to establish a private school system, a privately
funded school system. The
Afrikaners only understood this much too late and because of this they lost a
lot of their children.
already a small ‘independent Christian school’ system.
The State will give out money to private schools but it requires nominees
to be placed on the Board of Governors and seeks to give some direction to the
form of direction to the form of education taught by such schools.
These independent Christian schools don’t want to be bound by the
conditions of state directions. They
have totally opted out of everything.
Well, to me it’s the only way to go at a certain
point, once the whole liberal-leftist dogma becomes part of government policy
although it’s still being resisted as you say.
But take what they call the issue of homosexuality. They are going to say that you can’t teach that it is a
sin. I’m sure they’ll say that
at a certain point. How can you run
a Protestant school, or a Catholic school for that matter, without saying that
it is a sin? That’s the kind of
reason why you are going to have to eventually have your own school system –
or have a government that is your own government!
The whole system that
you once described as ‘insipid liberal relativism’ and called the
‘philosophical law of the land’ seems to me to be the philosophical law of
the whole Western world.
just the West. It’s not in the
Islamic world, which remains free of it to a large extent.
I think that’s something that Western traditionalists should think
about a lot more – that their enemies are not Islamic people that take Islam
would like to move on to address matters in the United States.
A lot of Ulsterfolk identify with America, particularly with the Southern
parts, which are areas which were settled by Ulster-Scots or ‘Scotch-Irish’
as they’re called over there. Places
like the Carolinas and Virginia. There
has been a certain affinity with the South.
One of the South’s politicians, who is reputedly friendly with Dr Ian
Paisley is Strom Thurmond.
Some time ago you reviewed a book on hi in Third Way magazine.
In 1948, he warned that the resulting civil strife in the event of forced
racial integration of all facilities “may
be horrible beyond imagination. Chaos
will prevail. Our streets will be
unsafe and there will be the greatest breakdown of law enforcement in the
history of the nation.” For
me, as an interested outsider looking in now over fifty years later, I would say
that this man was a prophet. He had
it spot on.
So what happened to Strom Thurmond?
This man who foretold all this also said that there were not enough
troops in the US army to force Southerners to accept racial integration.
Then I find out that this same man sponsored a Bill to make Martin Luther
King’s birthday a public holiday. He
must be well into his nineties, but he’s still around.
However, instead of saying, “Wow!
I was a prophet. What did I tell you? It’s
all come true.” He seems to
have gone into an 180 degree turn away from all of this. What happened to Strom Thurmond and is it symptomatic of a
lot of people in the South?
The collapse of the Southern resistance has always
been a fascinating topic to me. Here
were people who in the mid-fifties were saying that they would never abandon
their way of life. Ten years later
it was all over.
Supreme Court decision was in 1954 and by 1967 or so they had lost every battle.
There is integration of public accommodation, schooling, everything.
Now you don’t hear any of their previous ideas mentioned by the same
politicians by and large. There was
a lot of bluff and bluster, a lot of angry rhetoric and when push came to shove
there was surrender and a complete turning of their collective backs on their
own people and their own traditions. It
was similar, I think, with the National Party in South Africa, which was founded
to protect the Afrikaner and which became the vehicle for the destruction of
seems to be a dangerous tendency to confuse romantic rhetoric, imagery of verbal
firmness with the reality of clear strategy and tactics. When you think that in the fifties they had all these rallies
and they played Dixie, they waved thousands of Confederate flags and the
politicians would say, ‘Never, never, never!’ and ten years later there were
no more flags, no more Dixie, no more rallies. It
was the substitution of a kind of psychological soothing ritual of defiance for
the reality of how one could actually accomplish something.
all sounds terribly and scarily familiar to me because I can see similar defiant
rhetoric on the lips of some Ulster politicians.
It’s ending up in sullen compliance and possibly even more than that as
things move along. There do seem to
me to be some parallels, but Gerry Adams, the Sinn Féin leader uses imagery in
which he calls Portadown ‘Ireland’s Alabama’.
isn’t it Protestants who want the freedom to march?
Well, the analogy doesn’t quite hold there, does
know, you’re right. We’ll have
to pick Mr Adams up on that the next time he uses that comparison.
He also compares the Orange Order to the Ku Klux Klan. He doesn’t mean
it as a compliment.
You know, it would be presumptuous of me to have clear opinions on the
situation here in Ulster. I’m
just beginning to study it and to become familiar with it, so I don’t want to
put forth things in an absolutely final way.
I’m still in the middle of my studying, reading and visiting, but two
things do strike me here.
though I understand very much the sentimental ties to Great Britain and how much
blood they regard has been invested in the linkage to Great Britain there comes
a point when you have to realise that Great Britain is not what it once was.
The desire to preserve one’s own heritage, religion and cultural
identity is not going to be aided by Great Britain.
It is going to be hindered by it. The
government - certainly the Labour government, but even the Conservatives and
even the Monarchy – does not really have any sympathy for the things that
people here cherish. Ulsterfolk
have my sympathy in their sentimental ties, but I think it is an error and they
have to move beyond that to some idea of independence for themselves.
Britain’s not their friend anymore.
It’s painful to recognise but it’s a fact.
other thing is maybe going to be even more controversial to your readers.
I understand the importance of Protestant faith to Protestant people but
in many areas there are a lot of similarities between the Catholic population of
this country with the Protestant population.
I think that any ultimate solution here is going to have to create space
for both these cultures to live and fulfil themselves.
I know that republican violence makes this difficult to do but there has
to be some involvement in the direction of reaching out and dealing with
traditional Catholics and people that value their heritage.
it’s presumptuous of me to say these two things.
I might not know enough but these are first impressions.
appreciate that. Interestingly
enough, New Labour is trying to push a revision of the law regarding abortion in
Ulster. The law here is still that
of the 1920s. Basically, it only
allows for abortion when the mother’s life is in immediate danger.
That kind of abortion is legal here, so you’d probably only get perhaps
thirty or so of these in a year. Apart
from that, all other abortion is child destruction and is not legal.
The 1967 Act, which has lead to some five and a half million abortions in
Great Britain, does not yet apply here. NuLab
is trying to put through so-called ‘reform’ of the law to bring it into line
with that in England and Wales.
There is, however, widespread opposition among all the parties here -
the SDLP, the unionist parties and even Sinn Féin.
Sinn Féin, although liberal-leftist in their politics, can’t afford to
alienate the Catholic population on this issue. The SDLP would also resist any change in the abortion law for
similar reasons. I suppose then,
that this is one area where Catholic and Protestant can agree.
are probably more, but there is going to have to be a reaching out.
Perhaps this will be very difficult given the hundreds of years that go
into it, but I think that the survival of both Catholic and Protestant
populations in Northern Ireland is dependent on cutting the tie to Great Britain
and cutting the tie to the Irish Republic.
Both can then try to maintain their own cultures within this – how
shall I put this? – within this ‘island’ of cultural and religious sanity.
The Republic has become
a force for anti-Catholicism.
just answered a point I was about to make.
Within the past five years, this whole Politically Correct notion has
gathered considerable force down in the Republic. All the various things that made the Republic distinctive
have been eroded.
With a certain amount of prosperity, EU money etc., all sorts of things
have been swallowed that would never have been entertained twenty years ago.
Politicians and the media are now talking of Éire as a ‘multicultural
society’. Now, just as forty
years or so ago, nobody voted for Great Britain to become a multicultural
society there has been no referendum in the Republic to accept a peaceful
invasion and to transform it into one either.
Yet it has virtually become Holy Writ that transforming the Republic into
a multicultural society is A Good Thing.
If you had told those fellows in the Post Office in
1916 that they were to have a multicultural society they would have come out and
surrendered right away. What were
they fighting for?
What’s the point of having a separate Ireland if your won institutions
are going to be the same as, for example Somalia?
‘Ireland’ just a geographical term. It
upturns the old republican song, “Ireland, once a Province shall be a Nation
once again.” It should be
rewritten, “Ireland, once a Nation shall be a Province once again.”
Only this time instead of a Province of Britain it will be a province of
the whole world.
just another argument for why these ties should be cut. If the Catholic population of Ulster values its identity then
the Republic can only bring it down. It
can only hurt those values, their own Catholic identity. Of course, the problem here lies in Rome.
Rome since Vatican II has slowly by surely been losing its own faith in
strikes me as similar to Protestants and the Monarchy.
Here’s this romantic link to your leader who is supposedly the Defender
of the Faith. Well, Queen Elizabeth II is not the defender of the Protestant
faith and Pope John Paul II is very far from an adequate defender of the Catholic
In another of your
Third Way articles, you mentioned that nationalists of European descent tend to
be, “united by just a sense of impending doom.”
What did you mean by that?
Well, we are all playing for a football team losing
3-0 or 4-0 with three minutes to go in the game. Over the past two hundred or so years of history, and
especially since World War II, there has been a slow erosion of faith and
identity in Europe. There is a
sense of desperation that if something is not done that we won’t be able to
are two things that threaten the West. One
is liberalism, which is the destruction of faith and values and culture.
The other is multiracialism or multiculturalism which is essentially a
peaceful invasion and take-over of these countries.
Both of these things are hard to turn back the clock on once they have
America, for example. It’s almost
impossible to envision how we can possibly turn back the clock in America on the
multiracial thing. In terms of
religion and culture the problem is again that once education is in the hands of
liberal-leftists so future generations are all ruined.
I think that’s where the desperation comes from.
People don’t see an easy way to score these four goals in three minutes.
you think, though that there’s some sort of desperation on the part of the
liberal-left too? Do they not fear
that those goals may yet be scored? Have
you noticed that they seem to want to close down everything they don’t run?
For example, they seem to be very afraid of the internet because it
allows everyone to become their own publisher.
I notice in today’s news that the FBI has got a new computer, which it
wants to link up to all the ISPs in America so as to dissect e-mails and similar
communications. The British
government has its Regulation of Investigatory Powers Bill which also makes it
an offence not to give up your encryption key or password when ‘asked’ to do
so by the security services. The
penalty is two years in prison. All
this new repressive State apparatus is justified in the name of combating
drug-dealing, terrorism and paedophilia.
Doesn’t this suggest that there is still fear in the liberal-left
establishment that people might waken up and say, “Hey, we’ve had
The internet terrifies them. As you say, it’s a means of communication they can’t
control. They control TV.
They control radio, the movies and popular music.
Here’s a form of communication that can reach large numbers of people
that they can’t control. That’s
why they want to pass all sorts of legislation to chain it down.
the thing that frightens them is mass apathy.
In America few people actually vote.
I don’t know about England, but in America less than half of the
population votes. So, over there,
Big Brother totalitarian leftism does not really have the loyalty of the people.
They have ripped the soul out of people so that they are apathetic, watch
TV and worry about their careers and that’s it.
But people are not really with them.
that bothers them a lot. People are
not voting. Why aren’t they
voting? It’s not that they really
control people’s minds. They have
made politics, religion and ethnic culture irrelevant to most people.
That has a certain kernel o hope because at least they are not on the
other side. They might parrot some
of the clichés but they don’t necessarily mean them.
So, if a
turnaround comes about the clichés they parrot could be ours?
Like Strom Thurmond perhaps? The
things he said fifty years ago could become the new orthodoxy once again in a
few years’ time.
the thing is that what we say makes so much more sense that it would be easier.
They wouldn’t have to parrot them because of fear.
It would be people saying the truth as they experience it.
Today many people
think, “We know this is true, but you just can’t say it.”
really? Oh, you thought that
too?” Everybody knows what a
disaster multiracialism has been in New York City but nobody will say it.
Everybody knows it. Everybody
thinks it. If we just tell people,
“You know, you really have to say what you think”, a lot of people just
might say it. And going to
religious issues, everybody feels that traditional families with religious
values who go to church or synagogue live much more balanced fulfilled lives
than what happens to families today.
knows this. Everybody realises it
but no-one wants to say it. I think
that if somehow you can break through this it might become an avalanche.
Unlike the truths in the American Declaration of Independence, these
truths really are self-evident.
the interesting case of Austria where a national-populist party managed to get
into government because it gained a respectable vote?
There was a hysterical reaction from the European Union, especially from
the socialist Portuguese presidency. Bill
Clinton, Tony Blair and the Israeli government all jumped on to the
Austria-bashing bandwagon. Some
political sanctions have even been imposed against the Austrian people – all
in the name of ‘democracy’.
Isn’t that something?
Isn’t that something? It’s
the fear that once the people start to break rank and question their silly
dogmas, who knows where this might lead? So
if this little crack appear, you’ve got to destroy it.
As you say, I would think that the people understand what’s taking
place. I would hope so, because, as
you say, in the name of ‘democracy’ they were going to coerce people into
believing something. It just makes
no sense. It’s 1984 double-talk.
again, it’s so hard for those of us who are politically active and involved to
somehow creep into the heads of these TV watchers.
We don’t know what’s going on there.
Sometimes I’m just astonished at how little of this matters to the vast
majority of these TV people. I
often wonder what makes them tick. Maybe
totalitarian leftism has really created a ‘new man’ in the sense of a man
who doesn’t experience religious or cultural or familial or ancestral needs.
Maybe this has spawned a new creature – a 1984 creature that maybe we
can’t reach anymore. But God gave
every man a soul, so buried underneath that TV and movies somewhere is still a
Over these past
few days you have been visiting Ulster. I
know it’s your first time here and you came at quite an ‘interesting time’
as the Chinese would say. There
have been street demonstrations and unrest in the past few days.
The Orange Institution in particular has had a bad press owing to
loyalist paramilitary show of strength surrounding some protests and people’s
cars getting hijacked at some other protests.
You’ve bee walking around that and then seeing the actual parades on
the Twelfth and the Black demonstration in Scarva.
So, what are your impressions?
My first general impression is that it’s just a wonderful
thing that I’ve witnessed these past two days.
To see these parades with all generations linked, the old people, the
young people, grandfathers linked in a sense of gratitude to their own
ancestors, their culture and their faith. They’re
celebrating it with a firmness and a tenacity I found to be inspiring and I’ll
take it back to America that it’s going to be a source of strength to me.
It’s a wonderful thing that I saw.
first time I saw it when they were just forming up, they were actually coming
down the street in front of the hotel. I
was almost moved to tears the first time that I saw it. Back home in America, there’s nothing quite like it and
I’m sure it’s very infrequent in the rest of Europe as well.
ways, this is a little bastion of man in the way that God wanted him to be.
It’s just a wonderful thing. The
first thing I’m going to tell my friends is, “you’ve got to get over here
next year.” I intend to speak and write as much as I can about this and to
spread the word that there is this little corner of Europe that is still sane
and still alive.